Penname: Raso719 [Contact] Real name:
Member Since: August 21 2009
Membership status: Member
Bio:
I've been big into wrighting and Shrinking Women and Giantes for a while now, only recently have I combined the 2. I hope to share more stories soon. Elsewise, Enjoy the one I posted so far.
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Summary:

What would you do if you woke up  to find that your best friend is a giant and is using your city, your world as her personal plaything? Every single day. Your friend seems to have the power to alter the world around her, but is it real or an illusion?

 

This is the story of a boy being pulled into the games his best friend plays by changing the size of herself and others. All for her pleasure. 


Categories: Giantess, Adventure, Breasts, Butt, Crush, Destruction, Entrapment, Fantasy, Feet, Gentle, Growing Woman, Humiliation, Insertion, Instant Size Change, Mouth Play, Nose, Vore
Characters: None
Growth: Giant (31 ft. to 50 ft.), Giga (1 mi. to 100 mi.), Mega (501 ft. to 5279 ft.), Tera (101 mi and up), Titan (101 ft. to 500 ft.)
Shrink: Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/m
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 8 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 21942 Read Count: 134132
[Report This] Published: January 06 2018 Updated: April 04 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstarhalf-star
Date: March 07 2024 Title: Chapter 7: Whose Fantasy Is This?

Wow, I'm super thrilled you're continuing this! (I also hope we hear more about tue cruise ship!)

I love how playful Kelly is! I really hope to see more stories like this and SSSPP! 



Author's Response:

I am debating doing some chapters focusing on short recaps of what she's done over the years. 

Summary:

Daniel manages to sneak into Annabelle's (his girlfriend's) bedroom, he intends on surprising her. He has a shrinking device. He shrinks himself down on her bed, but then realises that he should have made a bit more of a plan, because Annabelle's sister might find him instead and she used to have a crush on him...


Categories: Feet, Giantess, Breasts, Body Exploration, Entrapment, Gentle, Humiliation, Insertion, Instant Size Change, Mouth Play, Nose, Odor, Slave, Unaware, Vore, Incest
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/m
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 20 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 18795 Read Count: 164708
[Report This] Published: December 02 2021 Updated: February 29 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: December 20 2023 Title: Chapter 17: Part 6 - Chapter 3

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

Little sisters shrinking their big sister is super fun and I hope it's something you explore again. Maybe more day dreams so we can see multiple other scenarios. 


Would absolutely love to see something like she shrinks a girl so much the remote loses track of the target. The implication being she shrank too small to track or out of existence... maybe she gets addicted to do it?



Author's Response:

Hey thanks for your feedback. Glad you enjoyed this and found it fun. I was deliberating over either Grace having a guy over and has some fun with him or perhaps one of her sister's girlfriends who has always bullied Grace intrudes and gets accidentally shrunken... not sure yet which way to go, but had some ideas like that. Could always do both I suppose, welcome thoughts from people.

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Date: January 02 2024 Title: Chapter 18: Part 6 - Chapter 4

Oooo is Grace about to realize she's been mean to Dan or is she shook by his audacity. I wonder what will happen...

I'm still hoping to see Grace be really irresponsible and shrink someone way too small or something....



Author's Response:

Thanks for the review, yes I've been toying with what happens next, and perhaps Grace gets drunk and does something irresponsible, that is a possible scenario... I was thinking about perhaps one of Annabelle's girlfriends comes to visit, or something...

The Game by littless Rated: X starstarstarstarstar [Reviews - 14]
Summary:

Screw weed. Acid is soooo last century. RF-29 is all the rage now. Who cares if convicts get it; why should they have all the fun? Come watch a dude get doped up and have the time of his life shrinking with three gals. They'll never be the same again after sharing the experience with each other.


Mind the rating. Lots of sex in this. If you like that: enjoy. If you don't: you've been warned.

Disclaimer: All publicly recognizable characters, settings, etc. are the property of their respective owners. The original characters and plot are the property of the author. The author is in no way associated with the owners, creators, or producers of any media franchise. No copyright infringement is intended.


Categories: Giantess, Teenager (13-19), Young Adult 20-29, Body Exploration, Couples, Gentle, Incest, Insertion, Mouth Play
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Doll (12 in. to 6 in.), Dwarf (3 ft. to 5 ft.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.)
Size Roles: FF/m, M/f
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences, This story is for entertainment purposes only.
Series: None
Chapters: 12 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 52217 Read Count: 55734
[Report This] Published: February 03 2022 Updated: March 30 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: March 12 2024 Title: Chapter 10: Chapter 10

Definitely a hot and fun story!

Gonna echo some others, would be really fun to see some instances where someone screws up and gets unfathomably small (ideally a girl!) in future installments. Especially if it happens right infront of others...

Summary:

In the not too distant future, about next Sunday AD, overpopulation has reached the point where people are paid to be shrunken down to live in comfort in contained biomes. Some companies took this a step further and offered incentives for people to move into biomes that would be converted into jewelry for people to own and care for. Minirals LTD had created a program where people would live in replicas of cities they once called home, in the possession of caring caretakers. There were many precautions in place, but sometimes things go wrong…



A series of short stories about people, towns, and cities living inside of jewelry that is being worn by normal sized people. This could be something as simple as the gem in a small ring to something more...intimate or even sinister. 


CHAPTER 4: "This City is a Pain in My Ass!" (2600 words) A longer piece focusing on what happens when a woman finds herself in possession of a city that was full of assholes who wronged her. What does she do with the tiny people trapped in this city? Well, read to find out!

CHAPTER 5: Nosey Tinies! A 2200 word story where a flirtatious tomboy buys a nose piercing featuring a small ski resort town and the impact it has on her and its residents. 


Categories: Giantess, Breasts, Butt, Entrapment, Fantasy, Gentle, Humiliation, Insertion
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: None
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 5 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 7760 Read Count: 15444
[Report This] Published: October 01 2023 Updated: March 05 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed
Date: March 05 2024 Title: Chapter 5: Chapter 5: Nosey Tinies

Very nice addition, I'm glad you're writing again!

I've actually been sharing Super Small Sorority Pool Party, Why and Is This Just Fantasy a lot recently to spread the love. Some of my all time favorite stories! I hope you have more planned out along those lines soon, or maybe even a sequel or other addition to the world of SSSPP!



Author's Response:

Thank you! This one is a fun anthology to work on. I actually have two more chapters of Is This Just Fantasy written but haven't been too happy with them. Basically sat on them for a year. I have been debating a follow up to SSSPP. Either a chapter from her lost friend's perspective or a full sequel focusing on her trying to capitalize on the idea of shrinking as a business. I wrote about half a chapter of the latter years ago. 

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Date: March 05 2024 Title: Chapter 3: Chapter 3: True Devotion

(Can't reply to responses, so I'll rate another chapter! 😆 )

I do absolutely love the scales you deal with and hoe playfully sociopathic or detached some of your characters are! Especially in SSSPP the idea of people being shrunk and forgotten or discarded as microscopic dust is one I've been exploring a lot recently! A ditzy and horny girl with no empathy who shrinks her prey super small and gets off on there smallness and then she just moves on and forgets about them is absolutely incredible!

if you look for a story called Jessica’s Shrink Stream on here her character was largely inspired by the themes in SSSPP. 

If you don't revisit SSSPP I hope you at least revisit the world and show so more sexy microscopic orgies! 

Summary:

"Toxic Friendship" is going to be an anthologic series of (very) short stories focusing on various characters interacting with their so-called friends in size scenarios. Of course, when shrinking is involved, all bonds and relationships are put to the test, and maybe some will learn not to be too trusting of those they used to call friends...


Categories: Crush, Entrapment, Fantasy, Feet, Footwear, Humiliation, Sci-Fi, Slow Size Change, Unaware
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.)
Size Roles: F/f
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 1 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 1451 Read Count: 2491
[Report This] Published: November 28 2023 Updated: November 28 2023
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Date: November 28 2023 Title: Chapter 1: TikTok Trend

This scenario has literally been by whole fetish for the past month and a half. Everything. Every part of this. Shrinking to Oblivion, a ditzy girl who is unconcerned with the wellbeing of her shrunken friend... it's absolutely everything I needed in a story right now.



Author's Response:

I'm happy to see you liked the story so much! These are some of my favorite themes, too!

Summary:

Everyone gets hit by writer's block, but in Sari's case, she has help: Jessica is always ready to help her lover overcome any struggles when it comes to writing. Nothing like taking one's mind off of work than by ravaging her lover sexually... while growing bigger.


Categories: Lesbians, Giantess, Feet, Gentle
Characters: None
Growth: Brobdnignagian (51 ft. to 100 ft.)
Shrink: None
Size Roles: F/f
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 1 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 2738 Read Count: 1216
[Report This] Published: December 20 2023 Updated: December 20 2023
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstarhalf-star
Date: December 20 2023 Title: Chapter 1: Jessica Breaks The Fourth Wall

Very spicy and very hot! I missed the size tag at first and was hoping this would be SW story but despite turning giantess I enjoy it very much!



Author's Response:

Oh you just spotted the small "f" then ;)

In any case, glad you enjoyed it! I labor for proper spicyness and hotness!

Killer Workout by Da Boss Rated: R starstarstarstarhalf-star [Reviews - 9]
Summary: After a bad day at work, all Amber wants to do is go to the gym and work out.  When people at the gym start finding ways to irritate her and get on her nerves, the shrink ray she owns might come into play....
Categories: Giantess, Breasts, Butt, Crush, Feet, Mouth Play, Muscle, Odor, Violent, Vore
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/f, F/m
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 3 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 11428 Read Count: 12906
[Report This] Published: December 22 2023 Updated: February 21 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarhalf-star
Date: December 22 2023 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1 - A Bad Day

Great start! Hope to see more SW and maybe even seeing what happens when you press the shrink button on someone twice... or three times even... :)



Author's Response:

Thank you!  Hoping to write chapter 2 soon! 

Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: January 15 2024 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2 - A Good Workout

Amber is on a warpath! I do hope the next chapter has her being more playful and a little less overtly murderous. Also, gotta chime in again with seeing what happens if you double tap someone with the shrink mode.


(I also got your email and responded! Thanks for reaching out!)



Author's Response:

Thank you! 

Summary:

When a new drug with the ability to temporarily shrink people floods the market, society begins to unravel. With the clock ticking against them, a team of state and non-state actors must navigate the ensuing chaos to stop the drug pandemic at its source before it allows humanity to wipe itself off the globe. As the team struggles in this Herculean and Sisyphean task, one thing becomes clear: with great power comes great temptation - and this inadvertently puts one's morality to a test. 


• Its been a while since I last posted, and my English has improved greatly. But please do give me some constructive feedback if you think there is some room for improvement! :)

• While this story will focus mostly on giant women interacting with tinies, it will still have some giant male scenes. But these are only for the purposes of the story, and I will warn you guys in advance about it in the chapter notes. Additionally, I know that some of the 'selected categories' / tags are not for everyone. So in the notes of each chapter, I will mention which tags the chapter will feature. So you can skip the chapters that you are not comfortable with. 

• If anybody wants to make a comic book out of this or wants to write a spinoff version of this, please email me: "amianonymous714@gmail.com". I've wanted my writings to become a comic for a very long time :). So it goes without saying that I will let you use my writings for free - just let me know if you are going to do it :). 

• And of course, if you like my story, leave a comment - I'd really appreciate it!  


Categories: Adventure, Young Adult 20-29, Breasts, Adult 30-39, Mature (40-49), Body Exploration, Butt, Couples, Crush, Destruction, Entrapment, Fantasy, Feet, Footwear, Gentle, Giant, Growing/Shrinking Out of Clothes, Humiliation, Incest, Insertion, Instant Size Change, Legwear, Lesbians, Maternal, Mouth Play, New World Order, Nose, Odor, Sci-Fi, Unaware, Violent
Characters: None
Growth: Giant (31 ft. to 50 ft.), Giga (1 mi. to 100 mi.), Mega (501 ft. to 5279 ft.), Mini GTS (16-30ft), Tera (101 mi and up), Titan (101 ft. to 500 ft.)
Shrink: Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/f, F/m, FF/f, FF/m, FM/f, FM/fm, FM/m, M/f, M/m
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 3 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 10107 Read Count: 10799
[Report This] Published: January 10 2024 Updated: March 15 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarhalf-star
Date: January 10 2024 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1: First Blood

I was not expecting such an explosive twist!  I'm definitely interested to see where this is going and I hope you make great use of the micro and nano tags!

I think my one suggestion (and this is really a me thing more than anything) is try to find a way to quantify the size of characters, even if it's a rough estimation of size. It really helps to paint the picture of what's going on and it satisfies my autism. 



Author's Response:

Thanks for the suggestion! I incorporated it in the next chapter! :)

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Date: January 15 2024 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2: Drug Epidemic

Oh wow I'm so glad you dipped into shrinking nanoscopic or flat out disappearing. I really hope we see some interaction when these people end up super small (or gone completely) from the point of view of the shrinking person (and hopefully from the point of view of the shrinking people here and there).

Great work so far!




Author's Response:

Thank you so much :)
That will happen sometime soon ;D

Summary:

Derek's attending the big game to support his girlfriend and her fellow cheerleaders. He quickly learns that it isn't wise to mix alcohol and a girl who can change size at will! Hopefully he can put a stop to the whole thing before it gets out of hand...


Categories: Slow Size Change, Young Adult 20-29, Gentle, Growing Woman
Characters: None
Growth: Amazon (7 ft. to 15 ft.), Brobdnignagian (51 ft. to 100 ft.), Giant (31 ft. to 50 ft.), Mini GTS (16-30ft), Titan (101 ft. to 500 ft.)
Shrink: None
Size Roles: F/f, F/m
Warnings: The Following story is appropriate for all audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 1 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 3061 Read Count: 2741
[Report This] Published: January 14 2024 Updated: January 14 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: January 14 2024 Title: Chapter 1: Tiffany's Big Routine

I do love it when low empathy girls who just want to have fun grow (or shrink others) despite the protests of those around them!

You said this was a commission? What is your contact and where can I find more of your work?



Author's Response:

Thanks for the review, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

This is actually my first long(ish) form giantess story. Up til now I've been messing around on the 4chan size threads. I might copy over some of those posts to make a "portfolio" of some kind. I've updated my bio to include an email address, but I'm still making up my mind how "full-time" I want to be with this.

Summary:

I will post shorter stories here.
In the first one, a girl shrinks her boyfriend out of jealousy.
In the second, a guy working at Size Inc. gets a ride from a coworker.
In the third, a girl shrinks her brother to show a friend how her size gun works.
in the fourth, a wife shrinks her husband once she realizes he's lost control of his life.


Categories: Giantess, Breasts, Humiliation, Insertion
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/m
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 4 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 7213 Read Count: 15641
[Report This] Published: January 14 2024 Updated: March 26 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: January 14 2024 Title: Chapter 1: A Little Jealousy

I love it when shrinking goes overboard and they end up smaller than intended. I especially love it when the girl shrinking the other person is super set on shrinking her victim in a playful way. 


I hope you have more micro or nano stories in the works!  Maybe even some SW stories? :D



Author's Response:

100% agree! :) You're definitely going to see all that in my future stories.

If you'd like, you can check out my ebooks, some of them sound exactly like you described (except the SW part I guess). Especially the one called "#shrinkyourboyfriend". You can find all info on my Deviantart page,

Summary:

Jessica's got a new size changing remote, and she means to have some fun with it, live on the internet!

A commission for raso, who you can find at: https://www.deviantart.com/raso719


Categories: Humiliation, Giantess, Slow Size Change
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Doll (12 in. to 6 in.), Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/f
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 2 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 5524 Read Count: 18225
[Report This] Published: January 19 2024 Updated: February 07 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstarstar
Date: January 19 2024 Title: Chapter 1: Debut

Fantastic work!

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Date: February 07 2024 Title: Chapter 2: Fanservice

Another fantastic job! Love how Jessica treats Cat and love how tiny the girl ends up!

Delta Phun by sizeaddled Rated: X starstarstarstarhalf-star [Reviews - 8]
Summary: It's the weekend before college exams, and Delta Phi is throwing their big end-of-year party. Mike, the football star, convinces his nerdy roommate Evan to join in. Little do they know, the jungle juice has been spiked with a shrinking serum! Now, the partygoers are shrinking, and chaos ensues.

Evan and Mike are in for a wild night of adventure!
Categories: Footwear, Giantess, Young Adult 20-29, Breasts, Butt, Gentle, Growing/Shrinking Out of Clothes, Humiliation, Slow Size Change, Feet
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Doll (12 in. to 6 in.), Dwarf (3 ft. to 5 ft.), Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/f, F/m, FF/f, FF/m, FM/f, FM/fm, FM/m
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 4 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 13697 Read Count: 10340
[Report This] Published: January 19 2024 Updated: February 14 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarhalf-star
Date: January 29 2024 Title: Chapter 2: The Real Party Begins

I absolutely love shrinking sorority fun! I hope we see some irresponsible shrinking going way overboard (super tiny, like nanoscopic!) 

I also hope we see some ladies getting shrunk!



Author's Response:

Thank you!

The next chapter is more focused on Evan/Sara, but I assure you there are plenty of shrunken ladies at the party as well. (You've already met one of them, but there will be others as well.)

Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstar
Date: February 14 2024 Title: Chapter 4: The Rematch

Another great addition! I do love the inclusion of SW in the story. I hope there is more of an overview and exploration of some of the different sizes present at the party as well as the fun people are having.

I also hope we see some instances of some girls who have overdone it... maybe to their own enjoyment?

Summary:

The star of the college basketball team, Ashley, discovers a shy, nerdy girl's interest in her body, so she invites her to explore the feet she has so longed for.

Unaware that she wasn't the only one to experience the enormous athlete's sweaty soles.


Inspired by this post from the amazing ReiHino! https://twitter.com/ReiHinoAi/status/1736464238938325439


Categories: Vore, Giantess, Crush, Couples, Feet, Insertion, Lesbians, Mouth Play, Nose, Odor, Unaware, Violent
Characters: None
Growth: None
Shrink: Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: FF/f
Warnings: Following story may contain inappropriate material for certain audiences
Series: None
Chapters: 1 Table of Contents
Completed: Yes Word count: 3912 Read Count: 4714
[Report This] Published: February 10 2024 Updated: February 10 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstarhalf-star
Date: February 12 2024 Title: Chapter 1: Nerd and Jock

I absolutely love how the nanoscopic girls were at the mercy of the subby, nerdy girl!

I think I'd love to see the process where those girls are shrunk...  Maybe a girl going down on Ashley and she shrinks her slowly into her pubes and let's the girl just keep dwindling until she's a spec? Maybe we her shrinking them in stages? First small enough to handle, then onto her fingertip then lost and microscopic on her labia?

Maybe we can even meet some girls who have been shrunk microscopic and left to fend for themselves in the carpet fibers of their sorority house, in their own bed, at a coffee shop and so on?



Author's Response:

Thank you so much! I actually do hope to do a sequel to this one so I can't wait to share what fun things come next!

Summary:

Natalie is a stunning young woman who despite her beauty has struggled to find someone with which she can make a meaningful bond. That is until she meet Jennifer, the prettiest woman she has ever laid her eyes upon, who also happens to be the most welcoming person she's ever met and truly has a deeper connection they can't explain. Nat has always had a thing for taller girls, and standing at an impressive 6'3" she has always struggled to find another woman that checks this box. While Jen is quite tall, standing at 6' Nat still wishes she was maybe just a little taller. Well, you can't have everything in life, right?

Turns out that Natalie has found her perfect match. A woman who has the ability to change the size of anything including herself at will, among a few other interesting quirks she has discovered along the way. 


More tags will be added as the story progresses. The ones you see will reflect the current state of the story, and my vision for the immediate future of the story.


Categories: Insertion, Giantess, Feet, Footwear, Gentle, Growing Woman, Lesbians, Slow Size Change, Breasts, Entrapment, Instant Size Change
Characters: None
Growth: Amazon (7 ft. to 15 ft.)
Shrink: Doll (12 in. to 6 in.), Dwarf (3 ft. to 5 ft.), Lilliputian (6 in. to 3 in.), Micro (1 in. to 1/2 in.), Minikin (3 in. to 1 in.), Munchkin (2.9 ft. to 1 ft.), Nano (1/2 in. to 2.5 nanometers)
Size Roles: F/f
Warnings: None
Series: None
Chapters: 4 Table of Contents
Completed: No Word count: 13424 Read Count: 6568
[Report This] Published: February 10 2024 Updated: February 12 2024
Reviewer: Raso719 Signed starstarstarstarhalf-star
Date: February 12 2024 Title: Chapter 4: Bath Time

Oh wow, super micro girls are incredible. I can't wait to see where this goes!